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Re: Audio Export Problem...

Postby MikeLyons » Wed Jan 23, 2019 6:03 pm

I have to say, I couldn't disagree more with BobP's assertion about NP. I write chamber music and orchestral music as well as British Brass Band music. I also do many arrangements of classical music and I have never had any issue with NP playing it 'jazzy' - unless you count the time I forgot to turn off Sibelius' Rubato feature when it went somewhat 'weird'. I think for NP to work well you have to turn off Sib's interpretation features (including 'Live playback') because they get in each others' ways!

There are many things that can affect playback, chief among them being memory (RAM), disc speed, how many pther programs (and which types of programs) you are running in the backlground, the quality and type of sound card you are using (most onboard chips couldn't run a bath, let alone a realistic sounding performance) and the quality of your sound library, what type of driver your soundcard is using (ASIO,WASAPI, DS, MME) and so on.

As to using the mixer to change sounds, it's really not a good idea to do that regularly. Not because it's a bad thing to do in itself, but it can cause problems if you change the sound and then change your library - which may not have the same sounds (as just one example). If you use the mixer, use it to find out the program number and place a program change (~Px,y) in technique text on the staff or set the desired sound in the Preferred Sounds dialog of the playback devices setup. The manual has plenty of information about program changes. Not only that, but they can be changed 'on-the-fly'. Try doing that in the mixer.

In this particular instance, re-installing, even from a clean install, will likely make no difference.
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Re: Audio Export Problem...

Postby bobp » Thu Jan 24, 2019 1:43 am

Hey, Mike. I'm not disagreeing with you. Just presenting a different perspective.
I have no problem with NP as such. I have heard some good things from it. I just have no compelling reason to buy it. Just like I have no compelling reason to buy a Mac. I do not mean to dissuade others from using it (or a Mac). When I wrote the post above (in mid 2017, I think), you could go to the NP site and listen to their example of the trumpet concerto. The trumpet patch was definitely a jazz type sound. This was not a missed setting or mistake. This was their choice. No trumpet player would play this piece that way. If you go to the site today, they've changed it to a much more subdued sound. Rather dull, to me, now. There is also a rather strange string sound in the opening of the 1812.

And yes, there is a long list of settings you have to change to get the most out of NP.

As to changing sounds in the mixer. I do it every time I start a new piece. Why? I don't have any templates set up. Maybe I should. I seldom use the same instrumentation twice. So I set up a score based on what I think I'll need. Sibelius loads the sounds. But, my only choice for 1st violin is the default 1st violin sound. I seldom use that and prefer one of the other sounds loadable only, AFAIK, from the mixer. Same with many other sounds. I don't use any other libraries so I have no idea about how my choice would effect them. I often use instrumentation not always found in NP.

NP says that it plays the music in a more natural way, or more musical, or something. I'm not sure I ever heard whatever that means in all the examples I've heard. People have run my music through NP. I can say it was different, but I can't say it was better. And that's OK because out in the real world, if someone were to perform my music, it would most certainly be different. I get it. I enjoy making all the little adjustments in Sibelius. Which reminds me, accel and rit are most definitely not broken in Sib 7.5 in the inspector. It's not very intuitive as to how to adjust them, but it works. I have no idea about later versions.

Things that affect playback. My Sibelius computer of choice is my i5 desktop. 16 gb ram , Sib and sounds on an SSD. To me SSD is the only way to go. Nothing else running and background services held to a minimum. It doesn't matter if I use the addon ASIO sound card or the onboard sound card. Playback still stumbles once in a great while. I can hear no difference in the resulting sound file. I have never heard any difference using the meccanico type settings. 4gb of ram is not good.

All this is to say that I am not a professional composer/arranger. For someone such as yourself, speed and ease are paramount. I understand. I compose for the fun of it. It's therapy. I was a music major in college, by the way. A trumpet player, as well as guitar. I have played a wide variety of music in a wide variety of groups from pit bands to large orchestras. I know a lot about how instrument sounds fit together. But then, everyone has their own idea of what sounds good. You know much more about the workings of Sib. than I do. We approach the same thing from different directions.

The day 7.5 no longer works on my computer will be a sad day indeed. I can't really justify a subscription to 8. I'm not convinced that Dorico is the answer. Yet, anyway.
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Re: Audio Export Problem...

Postby MikeLyons » Thu Jan 24, 2019 8:06 am

Hi Bob,
We're old friends now! We're both entitled to our opinions and our experiences will be different. My machine was the best I could afford at the time an i7 (first gen) and I can tell it's getting old now (10 years or thereabouts) so I've had my money's worth out of it. We old people like to do that! :-D I don't know what I will do when it finally kicks the bucket. Maybe go back to pencil and paper!

Dorico is still in its infancy, missing a lot of grown-up features, but they are arriving at pace. Just wish I could afford it.
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Re: Audio Export Problem...

Postby bobp » Fri Jan 25, 2019 3:24 am

Mike,
Dang, always wanted an i7. Now their on i9's. My desktop and laptop are on i5s.
My laptop has been sputtering for a few months now. Hard drive shot. Wouldn't boot any more. All my usual software to boot to bad drives wouldn't work.
But, and this amazed me, using the command prompt, I could open Notepad, find and transfer several hundred GBs of files to a flash drive fast and easy.
I had Sibelius on the laptop and somehow had the wherewithal to deactivate it before the thing died. I blew my computer budget for the year on a new SSD, and just today got it up and running. Sibelius is back on it. Life is good, well, till the next disaster.
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