Sibelius 6 with Edirol Orchestra

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Ianpb
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Post by Ianpb » Fri Sep 10, 2010 6:44 am

I've just aquired Edirol Orchestra because I wasn't happy with the instrument sounds that came with the software. I've installed Edirol as a plug-in and I see it among the sound devices. However, it keeps reverting to GM-Module when I close the Playback Devices interface. Furthermore, I only get one sound (violin) occuring when I play my score.

Could anyone please advise me as to how to get Edirol to work properly with Sibelius 6?

Thanks.


andyg
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Post by andyg » Fri Sep 10, 2010 2:10 pm

You'll need to create a manual soundset for it. Can be done, but takes a lot of work. Time is money. Consider investing in the rather superior Garritan Personal Orchestra 4, which works with 6.2 right out of the box.

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Post by Ianpb » Fri Sep 10, 2010 7:43 pm

andyg wrote:You'll need to create a manual soundset for it. Can be done, but takes a lot of work. Time is money. Consider investing in the rather superior Garritan Personal Orchestra 4, which works with 6.2 right out of the box.
Thanks for the advice. It does seem from my research through the internet that Edirol is indeed more trouble than it's worth. Luckily it was loaned to me so that I could evaluate it, so I'm not out of pocket. I shall now be looking into the Garritan Personal Orchestra.

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Post by Ianpb » Wed Sep 15, 2010 3:57 am

Although I've given up on Edirol Orchestral for it's troublesome nature and that I've since realised its sounds are not particularly good anyway, I stumbled across a website claiming to sell a sound set for it.

http://soundsets.jonathanloving.com/hardware.php#korg

The trouble is that this person is selling it for £20 with no guarantee of file accuracy or ethical selling. Furthermore, this could be a breach of Sibelius copyright.

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Post by jloving » Wed Sep 15, 2010 3:29 pm

Ian, thank you for your concern. I can assure you that Sibelius is supportive of the Sibelius Sound Set Project efforts, and quite often I work with the support of the sample developers to bring Sibelius integration to their libraries.

Here are some links to consider (though they lean towards EWQLSO which is by far the most used and popular sound set I have done):
http://www.sibeliusblog.com/news/sibeli ... -round-up/
http://www.sibeliusblog.com/tips/sound- ... orchestra/
http://www.soundsonline-forums.com/show ... hp?t=28482
http://www.gearslutz.com/board/5521171-post3.html
http://www.native-instruments.com/forum ... p?t=111218
http://www.soundsonline.com/products/PL ... Orchestra/

EastWest, Sibelius, (or any other developer) wouldn't risk their name reputation advertising my name and sound sets on their website product pages if I was in the business of producing things that didn't work or ripping off their customers.

While it's true I cannot guarantee that the (over 100) sound sets I've created will not have one single error (nor can any other computer/software based company) any issues found are fixed and updates sent out to all users.

I answer all support emails personally as well, almost always within 24 hours - usually much faster, and I read through the forums multiple times a day looking for any user posting a problem they have run into. Nobody who purchases a sound set from me is left 'out to dry', so long as they are willing to keep up the dialog until the issue is resolved. (The only reason I absolutely refuse technical support is if the user is using a cracked/pirated version of Sibelius or the sound library. This is clearly stated in the Terms of Service: http://soundsets.jonathanloving.com/legal.php which must be accepted before purchasing/downloading.)

You can find some additional info on the purchase/delivery process here: http://soundsets.jonathanloving.com/faq.php

If you have any other questions or concerns about the Sibelius Sound Set Project please feel free to contact me directly: soundsets(at)jonathanloving.com

Best,
Jonathan Loving
soundsets(at)jonathanloving.com
http://soundsets.jonathanloving.com
Jonathan Loving - The Sibelius Sound Set Project http://soundsets.jonathanloving.com

For Sound Set support please email soundsets(at)jonathanloving.com

Ianpb
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Post by Ianpb » Wed Sep 15, 2010 8:30 pm

Okay Jonathan, thanks for clearing that up. Unfortunately, experience has made me somewhat cynical and suspicious of motives.

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Post by HansNel » Tue Jun 14, 2011 8:21 pm

Ianpb wrote:Okay Jonathan, thanks for clearing that up. Unfortunately, experience has made me somewhat cynical and suspicious of motives.
Hi I know this is a rather old post, but I strongly differ to those who downplay Edirol Orchestral. I've been using it for years and would like to hear GPO sound like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uC10gMdK_0

Kind regards

andyg
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Post by andyg » Tue Jun 14, 2011 9:28 pm

Nicely sequenced, and I'm not knocking what you've done, but the sounds, although good, are a bit static, especially the brass. We've moved on since then with more articulations and playing techniques in the sounds.

I take it you've listened to the demos on the Garritan site?

Anyway, congratulations on what you did with Star Wars. I've been drumming 'realism' into the heads of my music tech students for years and I'll point them to this clip as an example of what can be achieved if you work hard enough!

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Post by HansNel » Tue Jun 14, 2011 10:05 pm

andyg wrote:Nicely sequenced, and I'm not knocking what you've done, but the sounds, although good, are a bit static, especially the brass. We've moved on since then with more articulations and playing techniques in the sounds.

I take it you've listened to the demos on the Garritan site?

Anyway, congratulations on what you did with Star Wars. I've been drumming 'realism' into the heads of my music tech students for years and I'll point them to this clip as an example of what can be achieved if you work hard enough!
Greetings andyg, nice to hear from you.

I DID try Star Wars on Garritan. I just could not get it to sound like a loud philharmonic orchestra. It sounded like a small chamber orchestra.

I DO like Garritan sounds, though. I find that Garritan is excellent for classical music. I have listened (downloaded) all their demo mp3 but cannot get one where the brass sounds 'brassy' like one finds in Shostakovitch's symphonies, film music and the like. The reeds and strings sound VERY good, like one would find in Mozart's symphonies etc. Do you agree?

I'll be most pleased if someone can instruct me on tweaking the brass' ....well...'brassiness' in Garritan. As you stated, realism is very important and thanks for your kind words. For those who are interested, I use Finale AND Sibelius 6. I really wish Sibelius will simplify the use of VST's like in Finale. That is the only real problem I have with Sibelius. On the other hand, I wish Finale can have magnetic layout, versions, ideas and some visual enhancements.

In conclusion, I think one should perhaps have more than one VST instrument and choose the best one for a particular timbre. I hope I make sense...

Regards.

P.S. you don't by any chance know what sound pack Hans Zimmer uses for his film scores?

andyg
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Post by andyg » Wed Jun 15, 2011 7:16 am

Sib does work pretty seamlessly with VSTi's, providing there's a soundset for them. The Garritan libraries respond very well, for example.

As for Orchestral, you can get deep into editing and make some very useful sounds, I've used edited solo trombones and cornets at times. However, the samples are short-ish and looped, hence my 'static' comment.

When it comes to professional realism, you need a DAW like Cubase rather than a notation programme. There's far more control over what's going on than Finale or Sibelius can offer. I do the score in Sib, then play most or all of the parts live into Cubase - no simple importing of MIDI files allowed.

For me, notation apps are fine for demos and quick run throughs, but a finished product needs a DAW's features. I guess that's what most composers would use, and I'll bet they use sound libraries like EWQL! I can't afford those, but I do have a nice collection of mid-range products as well as all the Garritan libraries.

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