How to make several short staffs in 1 line?

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Re: How to make several short staffs in 1 line?

Post by oleedd » Wed Jul 21, 2021 2:58 pm

Cool. Thanks.
What about this question?
What to press to change this timeslot selection to only note head selection?
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It is the same as removing the blue rectangle, but leaving the items in it blue.

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Re: How to make several short staffs in 1 line?

Post by MikeLyons » Wed Jul 21, 2021 7:30 pm

[ctrl/cmd][alt/opt][shift]1 will select all the note heads. (Use the top row of the main keyboard, not the leypad).
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Re: How to make several short staffs in 1 line?

Post by oleedd » Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:11 pm

Thanks.
Interesting: does Sibelius support such 2 time signatures grouping?
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Re: How to make several short staffs in 1 line?

Post by MikeLyons » Thu Jul 22, 2021 7:24 am

You'll have to rephrase that. I don't understand exactly what you are asking. The image is as close as I could get, given that I'm not looking at a full bar in your example.
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Re: How to make several short staffs in 1 line?

Post by oleedd » Thu Jul 22, 2021 12:12 pm

The only difference is in this beam, which should be removed.
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So the question is about this.

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Re: How to make several short staffs in 1 line?

Post by MikeLyons » Fri Jul 23, 2021 7:51 am

No - because musically it makes no sense. You can't join just by a secondary beam. Only by a primary beam - which is the TOP one.
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Re: How to make several short staffs in 1 line?

Post by oleedd » Fri Jul 23, 2021 8:47 am

I thought as much. It was unlikely that it is supported.
It means 2 time signatures: in this case, 2/4 and 6/8.
because musically it makes no sense
Look:
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The music comes in 2 grouping variants.

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Re: How to make several short staffs in 1 line?

Post by MikeLyons » Fri Jul 23, 2021 10:56 am

As a non-pianist I wouldn't even know how to approach such a thing. How can you make a single line of notes feel as if it is in two times at the same time? The beaming is - it seems to me - defeated by the fingering which places the stresses (1) in the normal 4/4 time sig places. I assume this is an early-ish 20th Century piece? They became a bit obsessive about impossibly tiny and inconsequential differences!
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Re: How to make several short staffs in 1 line?

Post by oleedd » Fri Jul 23, 2021 12:06 pm

I assume this is an early-ish 20th Century piece?
Yes.
2 time signatures are used because musically - grouping changes between 4/4 and 12/8 or 6/4 (my vision).
An example of 12/8 (left hand definitely musically goes in 6/4 because of repeats):
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How can you make a single line of notes feel as if it is in two times at the same time?
You should analyze (it is easy) what time signature match the music in a measure.

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Re: How to make several short staffs in 1 line?

Post by MikeLyons » Fri Jul 23, 2021 1:00 pm

Yes, so the LH of the bar above is in 6/4 with the sqs divided into 6 groups of 4. No need for the confusing beaming. If you want them played as groups of 6, still easy (though in this case the RH lines would still say (6+6)/8 to me.) I suppose it's a matter of personal taste.
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Re: How to make several short staffs in 1 line?

Post by oleedd » Fri Jul 23, 2021 2:47 pm

No need for the confusing beaming.
Here - yes, but in the first example (and similar cases), 4/4 is necessary. The idea was to keep the beaming in 1 kind instead of frequent changing it.

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