Insert Measures BEFORE bar 1

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Sibelius-Bob
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Post by Sibelius-Bob » Tue Oct 13, 2015 1:18 pm

I have a score that's finished.
But now I've decided to add in 4 intro meaures.
These intro bars should be inserted BEFORE bar #1.
After these 4 intro measures are inserted the current bar #1 and all subsequent measures in the score should be moved/shifted to the right to begin at bar #5, leaving me with 4 inserted BLANK measures from bar 1 to bar 4.

When I attempt to do this now, I select bar one, and I then insert 4 blank measures. When I do this the current measure #1 DOES NOT move to the right, instead it stays put (everything at bar 2 onward gets moved to the right) and the 4 blank measures get inserted from bar 2 - 6.

Is there an easy no hassle way of inserting 4 empty bars BEFORE bar #1 so the current bar #1 and everything subsquent measure in the score is shifted/moved to the right, allowing me to input my 4 bar intro beginning at bar #1 :?: :?: :?: :?
Last edited by Sibelius-Bob on Wed Oct 14, 2015 12:14 pm, edited 2 times in total.
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KJ_Palmer
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Post by KJ_Palmer » Wed Oct 14, 2015 12:46 am

Yes - press Esc twice to deselect everything, then Add measures, then clicking on something in the first bar should do it. I actually usually click to the left of the first bar, to be sure.

Deselecting is often the best thing to do before doing any editing to avoid changing a wrong (selected) object.

Also, check you haven't added any bars right at the end of the score - easily done if using the add measures button/menu as it's the top (default) item on the list.
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Sibelius-Bob
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Post by Sibelius-Bob » Wed Oct 14, 2015 1:30 am

My intial post describes your suggestion below (which I've tried many times) that does not work. Your suggestion will only add mesaures AFTER bar one (starting at bar #2). I want the new added measures to be inserted BEFORE bar #1 not AFTER bar #1.

KJ_Palmer wrote:Yes - press Esc twice to deselect everything, then Add measures, then clicking on something in the first bar should do it. I actually usually click to the left of the first bar, to be sure.

Deselecting is often the best thing to do before doing any editing to avoid changing a wrong (selected) object.

Also, check you haven't added any bars right at the end of the score - easily done if using the add measures button/menu as it's the top (default) item on the list.
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Post by KJ_Palmer » Wed Oct 14, 2015 8:04 am

Sorry, I don't know then. Perhaps it works differently on a Mac...?
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Sibelius-Bob
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Post by Sibelius-Bob » Wed Oct 14, 2015 11:59 am

I'm surprised that since posting this message 1 day ago, no one has or will answer my question. Surely Sibelius 7.5 has some way to quickly & easily accomplish this task. But perhaps I'm mistaken. Maybe there is a way to do this, but likely involves some convoluted, multistep, ardrous process or some 3rd party plugin, like so many things do in Sibelius. What a frustration & disappointment this often is. :? :( :evil:
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frderek
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Post by frderek » Thu Oct 15, 2015 11:53 am

Simple work-round:

1. Insert 4 bars after bar one
2. Select and copy (Ctrl-C) bar 1
3. Paste (Ctrl-V) into bar 5
4. Select bar 1 and hit 'delete'.

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Post by Sibelius-Bob » Thu Oct 15, 2015 12:11 pm

Thanks FrDerek, days ago, I've already figured out the "WORK AROUND" you suggested. :D
But again, the purpose of my post is to ask is there a SIMPLE/EASY/NO HASSLE way to do this.
And clearly, after 3 days waiting for an answer, the answer appears to be is NO!!!
Once again, Avid fails to have included a feature to do something that should be so simple to do with just 1 click of a button or with 1 simple key command.

Too often, Sibelius uses have to resort to performing convoluted/time consuming "WORK AROUNDS" or being forced to download and install 3rd party plugins to do simple things that should be included built-in out-of-the-box features!!! :twisted: :evil:

It's this kind of crap that has me chomping at the bit waiting for Steinberg to release their pro -level scoring application. :D
frderek wrote:Simple work-round:

1. Insert 4 bars after bar one
2. Select and copy (Ctrl-C) bar 1
3. Paste (Ctrl-V) into bar 5
4. Select bar 1 and hit 'delete'.
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Post by laurencepayne » Sat Oct 17, 2015 11:45 pm

Use the Add Pickup Bar plugin. Specify a full bar's worth of pickup. You'll get a new, empty bar at the front of the score, with attached objects such as Title Text conveniently moved to it. For further preliminary bars, select this new first bar then press Shift-Ctrl-B as many times as necessary.

You'd have got a quicker response at the main Sibelius support forum:
http://www.sibelius.com/cgi-bin/helpcen ... ?groupid=3
We're in a rather obscure backwater here :-)

andyg
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Post by andyg » Sun Oct 18, 2015 9:54 am

Good Lord, is this backwater actually allowing us to post links now? :o

Nice to see you here, Laurence, that would make four of us answering questions from time to time!

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Post by Sibelius-Bob » Sun Oct 18, 2015 9:47 pm

Thanks Laurence for your tips :D !
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