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Rob M.
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Title page margins

Post by Rob M. » Sat Sep 28, 2019 1:44 am

I have a score all nicely done, with 15mm margins left and right. I want to add a title page, but with 20mm side margins. The Add Title Page feature works fine, but the added title page takes its margin settings from the existing score. And I can't find a way to set different margins for the added title page. The Special Page Break will set new margins after the break, but I can't see a way to set new side margins before the break. Suggestions, please?
I'm using Sibelius Ultimate 2019.4 on Windows 10 v1903.
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Re: Title page margins

Post by bobp » Sat Sep 28, 2019 9:37 pm

Hopefully someone who knows will answer. Because I don't. In the mean time, here is what I would do. I assume you want your score saved as a PDF. If so, go ahead and make a PDF of what you have. Then start a new score title page with the margins you want. Save the title page as a PDF and amend it to your score. Not elegant or quick, but it should work.
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Re: Title page margins

Post by MikeLyons » Sun Sep 29, 2019 7:03 am

Instead of a "Title Page", use a "Special Page Break". It will allow you to have separate margins for the title pages and the main part of the score.
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Rob M.
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Re: Title page margins

Post by Rob M. » Thu Oct 03, 2019 11:23 pm

Sorry, Mike -- didn't work.

A special page break with new margins apparently re-sets the margins AFTER the break. Which doesn't work well when one has to set the special page break at the beginning of the score.

So I tried re-sizing the existing score to provide 20mm side margins, in the hope that the application of a special page break would result in 20mm margins on the new blank pages and allow me to set 15mm margins following the break. That didn't work either -- the blank pages also ended up with 15mm margins.

It looks like I'm going to have to do the title page in a word processor, then export that and the score to separate PDFs, and merge the PDFs. I had hoped to avoid that hassle, and I had thought that Sibelius would be smart enough to accommodate the margins I want. (And yes, I've posted this issue on Sibelius's "official" site. No luck there either.)
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Re: Title page margins

Post by bobp » Sat Oct 05, 2019 3:42 am

I suppose you could use a word processor, instead of Sibelius. Do the steps I posted not work? Especially if you're going to merge anyway.
As far as Sibelius being smart enough. All bets are off. I wonder if you had done the title page first, then changed the margins for the score, if that would have worked?
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Re: Title page margins

Post by Rob M. » Sat Oct 05, 2019 9:25 pm

bobp said: I suppose you could use a word processor, instead of Sibelius. Do the steps I posted not work?

I did use Sibelius for the title page. After my last post. So yes, your suggestion did work.

bobp said: I wonder if you had done the title page first, then changed the margins for the score, if that would have worked?

I'm wondering about that. I did try changing the page side margins to 20mm before adding the title page (using the Special Break feature as suggested by MikeLyons). Yes, that got me 20mm margins throughout the file (including the title page). Then I specified 15mm margins after the break. Sibelius promptly changed everything (including the title page) to 15mm margins. At that point, I gave up and created the separate file for the 20mm margins on the title page, printed both files as PDFs, and merged the PDFs. Ugh. Now I have two files where I wanted only one.

As for setting a new file up at the beginning with the appropriate margins set for the title page and changing the margins after the break: I haven't tried it. Will keep the idea in mind if I find myself in the same situation again. But I'm not optimistic. Specifying the margins in the Special Page Break dialogue should have worked with the existing score, but didn't.
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Re: Title page margins

Post by bobp » Sun Oct 06, 2019 2:03 pm

Ah well, if there's one thing I've learned about software, it's that "should have" doesn't always have much relation to reality :(
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