Odd rest notation in 12/8 time

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Post by rcmjcz905040 » Sat Dec 07, 2019 11:31 am

Can somebody please explain to me the odd way sibelius puts rests in in 12/8 time. For instance got dotted crochet and three quavers at the start of a bar- sibelius finishes it off with 2 dotted crochet rests not a dotted minim!, also when you want a quaver on the 3rd quaver beat, why have two quaver rests before it? Even more odd- crotchet at the start and end of a bar then sibelius fills the middle with a dotted minim rest! Am I missing something? Or am I wrong?


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Post by MikeLyons » Sat Dec 07, 2019 1:10 pm

Because that IS standard notation in compound time!
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Post by rcmjcz905040 » Sat Dec 07, 2019 1:26 pm

Not at the Royal College of Music Mike!
You would also fail your grade 5 theory if you notated like that.

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Post by rcmjcz905040 » Sat Dec 07, 2019 1:40 pm

Perhaps it's a new system I need to learn, what I mean is, am I to believe that the notation (certainly of rests) in sibelius will always be the correct current standard musical convention? Because it doesn't look standard to me that's what I meant- sorry didn't mean to appear rude or anything!

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Post by MikeLyons » Sun Dec 08, 2019 8:55 am

No problem. I don't take offence easily.

However, the Finns (the creators of the software) and many subsequent programmers and designers are also musicians and they made certain design choices with regard to defaults. You can't change the default behaviour, but if you wish you can laboriously go through the music and change it to your preference. I think there might be a plugin to change the rests, but I've never used it.

The attached is an extract from Elaine Gould "Behind Bars"
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Post by rcmjcz905040 » Sun Dec 08, 2019 10:55 am

Thanks Mike- I've seen that book advertised and thinking of getting it. Funny though isn't it, when you're teaching you're always instructing pupils (say in 6/8 time), to make a quaver rest up to a crotchet and then give the quaver a separate rest. I would never have thought of using 2 quaver rests at the start of a bar before a quaver note- but if that's how it is, that's how it is!!
As long as it's the kinda accepted convention-
Thankful for the Finnish history- cheers!

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Post by rcmjcz905040 » Sun Dec 08, 2019 11:00 am

Just had another look- yep dotted crotchet rest at the start of a bar but 2 quavers rest to follow- ha aha- my what a system!!

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Post by MikeLyons » Sun Dec 08, 2019 2:47 pm

it's just to make sure the beat is clear.
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Post by rcmjcz905040 » Sun Dec 08, 2019 10:51 pm

Just bought the book yippeee! Like to think I won’t need to ask any more questions here..but at least a few
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Post by andyg » Thu Dec 12, 2019 9:35 am

Got the book as a Christmas pressie when it came out but it's too big to fit in the briefcase when out teaching, so I have the super little Dictionary of Music Notation by Alfred Publishing. Usually has what most of my students need to know!

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