What would be the correct notation in this situation?

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mike1127
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Post by mike1127 » Fri May 21, 2021 3:23 am

Here I have a scale running from the bass clef region to the treble clef region. I want to show that this is a continuous legato melody. I tried putting the notes on different staves, but then I can't think of how a slur would be notated. Can I get some ideas here? Thanks -Mike
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Post by MikeLyons » Fri May 21, 2021 7:48 am

Although in earlier versions of sibelius it was easier to do cross staff slurs (I'm talking version 4/5/6) they can still be done, but it's a bit of a faff. This is one area, I think, where sibelius has actually gone backwards.

Whatever you do won't be perfect.
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Post by andyg » Fri May 21, 2021 5:16 pm

Even V7 will let you do a multi-arc slur. I've not gone beyond 7.1.3, as there's nothing essential for me in the later versions.

I'd suggest trying a non magnetic slur. Type S and click away from the notes, in white space. Then try manipulating the ends and arc of the slur with the handles. It can be done and the results can look quite acceptable with practice. But it is, as Mike said, faffy.

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Post by mike1127 » Sat May 22, 2021 5:24 am

Thanks everyone. I'm kinda not sure where that slur is supposed to be, but I'll try something and post alternative screen shots here. Thanks again for your help.

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Post by MikeLyons » Sat May 22, 2021 10:26 am

Here are some suggestions:
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Don't forget - you need to turn off magnetic layout for the slur if you are cross-staffing it.
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Post by mike1127 » Sat May 22, 2021 11:13 pm

I moved the notes back to separate staves and attempted a slur across two staves. Let me know what you think. I also edited the notes a bit to make this more realistic on piano: the lower G is only sustained a beat and the high C is restruck.
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Post by mike1127 » Sat May 22, 2021 11:16 pm

MikeLyons wrote:
Sat May 22, 2021 10:26 am
Here are some suggestions:

Don't forget - you need to turn off magnetic layout for the slur if you are cross-staffing it.
Oh I didn't see your reply before I posted mine. Thanks for this. Without seeing your first, I tried what you have as version 3 here. It wasn't too hard.

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Post by MikeLyons » Sun May 23, 2021 8:04 am

Glad you got there in the end.
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Post by andyg » Sun May 23, 2021 8:47 am

Yes, that looks good. Once you've got the knack of doing them, such slurs can take little time.

Alas, I'm seeing more and more ugly 'default settings' slurs in printed music books. Some are very clearly 'out of the box' Sibelius, others look non-Sibelius. I haven't used Finale in so many years, I forget what its default output looks like.

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Post by MikeLyons » Sun May 23, 2021 1:16 pm

mike1127 wrote:
Sat May 22, 2021 11:13 pm
: the lower G is only sustained a beat and the high C is restruck.
FYI, your original image showed a dotted minim G and no second high C - not that it matters - the answer was found.
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