cross staff beaming with both 8th and 16th notes

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mike1127
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Post by mike1127 » Mon Jul 05, 2021 7:52 am

In this cross-staff beaming situation, the combination of 8th and 16th notes looks odd, with the placement of a single versus double beam looks quite different than when both types of notes are on the same side of the beam. Is this correct notation, or if not, is there a way to correct it?
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MikeLyons
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Post by MikeLyons » Mon Jul 05, 2021 11:46 am

I can't help thinking that the crossing point is pointless. The direction of the line is downwards, so why place a crossing point there?

Sibelius does, sometimes produce very ugly engraving like this. I'd be tempted to move the cross-over point earlier or later.
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Post by mike1127 » Mon Jul 05, 2021 7:47 pm

Thanks for the information. I'm observing a rule that left hands plays the bottom staff and right hand plays the top staff. That's why the crossing point is there, to show how the hands cooperate. It can probably be done in other ways, but what I was going for was the ability to play these lines legato without pedal.

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Post by MikeLyons » Tue Jul 06, 2021 7:19 am

You could hide the stems/beams and then fake a better looking crossover with lines (there's a beam thickness line and a stem thickness line). You could also try using x to see if that will give a better shape to the crossover, with the beams on the 'correct' side.
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Post by mike1127 » Wed Jul 07, 2021 8:43 am

Thanks very much! x didn't do anything (visible) but I was able to use beam and stem lines to create a sensible look. I'm learning so much about Sibelius here. I'm a composition student. I've always used Sibelius to compose and didn't care how good result looked (it was just me playing it) but my new teacher is insisting that I produce a professionally engraved score. That's a good idea.

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