Abbreviated Tuplets

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simoncapet
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Post by simoncapet » Sat Jan 07, 2023 12:56 pm

Hello fellow forum members. This is my first post, so please be gentle :oops:

I feel sure that my question has been covered in this forum at some point in the past, but I have been unable to find the thread. If this is the case, I would be grateful if someone would point me in the right direction.

I am going round and round in circles on the internet trying to find out how to create abbreviated tuplets, triplets in particular. This is what I am wanting to acheive:

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Cheers

Simon


andyg
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Post by andyg » Sun Jan 08, 2023 11:24 am

Input 4 dotted crotchets. Go to keypad 3, select all four notes and click the single tremolo 'key' - or press 1 on a proper numeric keypad. Then add the numerals as required.

I'm sure you already know, but a lot of people will not be familiar with abbreviated tuplets. I've been playing for almost 60 years and teaching for around 40 years. I can't recall seeing them used more than a couple of times!

simoncapet
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Post by simoncapet » Sun Jan 08, 2023 12:16 pm

Hi Andy, thank you for your response. I will try what you suggest - but it is specifically abbreviated triplets that I am trying to achieve rather than duplets duplets. Perhaps it's specific to orchestral music, but this is extremely common notation which is why I am surprised that Sibelius doesn't make the option easier.

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Post by simoncapet » Sun Jan 08, 2023 6:22 pm

So, here is the solution I came up with. It is a neat little solution as far as engraving is concerned.

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First, I placed a single quaver/eighth-note into a bar.

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I selected the note and navigated to Note Input/Triplets/Other

In the number field, I typed in the ratio 12:8 (twelve eighth-notes/quavers in the time of eight eighth-note/quavers).

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I left the number and auto bracket checked for this demonstration.

Then I filled the bar with dotted crotchets/quarter-notes.

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And, I added quaver/eighth-note tremolo feathers from the Beams/Tremolo screen on the notepad.

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Finally, I removed the number and bracket in the inspector screen.

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As I said, I could have removed the bracket and number when I set the tuplet ratio.

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I'm pleased with the end product, even if Sibelius still plays back two quavers/eighths instead of three.

If anyone has another solution to creating abbreviated tuplets I would like to see your method. And, if anyone can help me with the playback issue I would love to hear from you.

MikeLyons
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Post by MikeLyons » Tue Jan 10, 2023 12:48 pm

Set up the whole of one bar as shown
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add the trem line and hide the bracket, then make each into a dotted crotchet.
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If you play it back now, you'll hear three quavers each beat.

Fake the numbers
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simoncapet
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Post by simoncapet » Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:55 pm

Thank you, Mike. I will give your solution a try. :D

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